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11th septiembre 2017 a las 4:51 am #14573
罗雁 LuoYanSuperadministradorIn China, the glue is made from animal skin/ bone. Why is it?
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11th septiembre 2017 a las 4:52 am #14580
罗雁 LuoYanSuperadministradorAmr,
I believe that gelatin/alum size is the most famous sizing agent in history. Because it is difficult to do industrially, people switched to rosin/alum size which is based on tree resin, but that apparently causes paper to fall apart after some time, which is why people now sell «acid free» paper for archival purposes. I think gelatin/alum size is not «acid free», but it still lasts forever.
So the bone/skin glue is used for layering colors in painting. In mounting it seems the flour paste and alum is enough. Is that because the natural glue in the ink sticks will fix the ink in the presence of alum?
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11th septiembre 2017 a las 4:57 am #14587
罗雁 LuoYanSuperadministradorAqui también existe ese pegamento de origen animal
Se obtiene a partir.de cartílagos de animales…se.llama «cola de conejo», y sale mde ahí, de las partes blandas que contienen colágeno de cualquier animal, sea conejo, vaca…etc…
Aquí se sigue vendiendo pero su preparación es algo complicada. Asi que se usa poco. -
11th septiembre 2017 a las 5:01 am #14594
罗雁 LuoYanSuperadministradorAmr,
It seems it was mostly used in Europe, whereas in Asia starch/alum sizing was more common. I am not sure which is more robust. The alum is slightly acidic which tends to hydrolyse cellulose fibers. It is thought that the gelatin can buffer the pH somewhat and preferentially reacts with the alum to protect the cellulose. I am not sure if the same effect can be expected with starch.
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13th septiembre 2017 a las 4:43 am #14685
罗雁 LuoYanSuperadministradorWe have found this very nice Japan made natural gelatin. It is now available @inkston.
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1st enero 2018 a las 8:14 pm #17637
charlesrtsuaParticipanteThe Chinese also use baiji (白芨) which is the root of an orchid, also used in Chinese medicine and as a natural glue (to make silk strings for musical instruments like the guqin etc); the glue is released by boiling the roots. It had been used during the mounting process in the past but not any more as I think it turns paintings yellow-brown over time, hence why many Song/Ming Dynasty paintings etc are really brown. It’s like how varnish turns old oil paintings brown after many centuries.
Hide glue (明膠) is mainly used to bind pigments together and I wouldn’t use it for mounting as the wheat starch paste is sufficient.
Alum is not much of an adhesive as it is a preserver and waterproofer and has insect repellent properties, so a pinch of it is added to the paste mix.
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